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Post by finscar on Nov 8, 2004 11:26:06 GMT -5
whoa..some angry piece. it's good though.
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Post by eroticshock on Nov 8, 2004 12:27:19 GMT -5
Lovely translation, that was Goethe, right?
lol.
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Post by camelianhermitcrab on Nov 9, 2004 6:31:31 GMT -5
Lovely translation, that was Goethe, right? lol. Goethe? = Goethic? well, yeah, I guess. Sometimes I hate my shoes, and the roads they make me walk. I ... well ... um, yeah, it was my yang to my yin or is that vise versa? Ok, new day. I think I'll put on a pair I like.
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Post by Leni on Nov 9, 2004 6:59:13 GMT -5
Johann W. von Goethe (1749-1832)
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Post by camelianhermitcrab on Nov 9, 2004 16:08:28 GMT -5
Johann W. von Goethe (1749-1832) Oh..... that's a person. Ah, no, not goethe. It's an Hermit the CaMelian Crab orginal. Johann, is that a male or female? (looks male or a very scary female) Where they a poet? Any tid bit of info on this person would be great. I've written a story in that time frame and may chose to reference a new character, if you don't mind. Please and Thank you ;D
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Post by Leni on Nov 10, 2004 3:27:12 GMT -5
Oh..... that's a person. Ah, no, not goethe. It's an Hermit the CaMelian Crab orginal. Johann, is that a male or female? (looks male or a very scary female) Where they a poet? Any tid bit of info on this person would be great. I've written a story in that time frame and may chose to reference a new character, if you don't mind. Please and Thank you ;D Yeah, he's male AND a poet. Ok, I found a short biography for you. He wrote pretty cool stuff actually. Some of the titles are german, but that's just because the guy wrote in german. I really hope this is not considered as a proboards TOS violation... Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832) German poet, novelist, playwright, courtier, and natural philosopher, one of the greatest figures in Western literature. In literature Goethe gained early fame with The Sorrows of Young Werther (1774), but his most famous work is the poetic drama in two parts, FAUST. Like the famous character of this poem, Goethe was interested in alchemy. He also made important discoveries in connection with plant and animal life, and evolved a non-Newtonian and unorthodox theory of the character of light and color, which has influenced such abstract painters as Kandinsky and Mondrian. Noble be man, Helpful and good! For that alone Sets him apart From every other creature On earth.
(from The Divine, 1783) Johann Wolfgang von Goethe was born in Frankfurt am Main, the first child of a lawyer Johann Caspar Goethe, and Katherine Elisabeth Textor, the daughter of the mayor of Frankfurt. Goethe had a comfortable childhood and he was greatly influenced by his mother, who encouraged his literary aspirations. After troubles at school, he received at home an exceptionally wide education. At the age of 16, Goethe began to study law at Leipzig University (1765-68), and he also studied drawing with Adam Oeser. An unhappy love affair inspired Goethe's first play, The Lover's Caprice (1767). After a period of illness, Goethe resumed his studies in Strasbourg (1770-71). Some biographers have speculated that Goethe had contracted syphilis - at least his relationships with women were years apart. Goethe practised law in Frankfurt (1771-72) and Wetzlar (1772). He contributed to Frankfurter Gelehrte Anzeigen (1772-73), and in 1774 he published his first novel, self-revelatory DIE LEIDEN DES JUNGEN WERTHERS (The Sorrows of Young Werther), in which he created the prototype of the Romantic hero. The novel, written in the form of a series of letters, depicted the hopeless affair of a young man, Werther, with the beautiful Charlotte. In the end the melancholic Werther romantically commits suicide, after one brief moment of happiness with Charlotte, when she lets him kiss her. Goethe's model was Charlotte Buff, the fiancée of his friend, whom he had met in Wetzlar in 1772. Goethe's youth was emotionally hectic to the point that he sometimes feared for his reason. He was recognized as a leading figure in the Sturm und Drang, which celebrated the energetic Promethean restlessness of spirit as opposed to the ideal of calm rationalism of the Enlightenment. Goethe's poem 'Prometheus', with its insistence that man must believe not in gods but in himself, might be seen as a motto for the whole movement. After a relaxing trip to Switzerland, Goethe made a decisive break with his past. In 1775 he was welcomed by Duke Karl August into the small court of Weimar, where he worked in several governmental offices. Occasionally he read aloud his texts to a selected group of persons - among them the Duke and the two Duchesses. To his disappointment a dog-trainer was also allowed to amuse in the court theatre. "What you don't feel, you will not grasp by art, Unless it wells out of your soul And with sheer pleasure takes control, Compelling every listener's heart. But sit - and sit, and patch and knead, Cook a ragout, reheat your hashes, Blow at the sparks and try to breed A fire out of piles of ashes! Children and apes may think it great, If that should titillate your gum, But from heart to heart you will never create. If from your heart it does not come."
(from Faust I) In Weimar Goethe did not have much time to publish fiction. He was a council member and member of the war commission, director of roads and services, and managed the financial affairs of the court. Also Goethe's scientific researches were wide. He discovered the human intermaxilarry bone (1784), and formulated a vertebral theory of the skull. His idea of Urpflanze, the archetypal forms after which all other plants are patterned, has similarities with Plato's theory of eternal and changeless Forms. In general, Goethe's metaphysics and organic view of nature showed the influence of Spinoza.
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Post by Leni on Nov 10, 2004 3:27:28 GMT -5
During this period, his great love was Charlotte von Stein, an older married woman, but the relationship remained platonic. Eventually Goethe was released from day-to-day governmental duties to concentrate on writing, although he was still general supervisor for arts and sciences, and director of the court theatres. After Goethe's emotional dependence on Charlotte ended, he lived happily and unmarried with Christiane Vulpius, who became Goethe's mistress in 1789. In spite of public pressure, it was not until 1806 when they married.
In 1786-88 Goethe made a journey to Italy. "In Rome I have found myself for the first time," he wrote. He drew statues and ruins, collected antique and botanical samples, and was shocked by the primitive power of an ancient Greek temple - Renaissance art did not interest him. The journey ended Goethe's celibacy and inspired his play IPHIGENIE AUF TAURIS, and RÖMISHE ELEGIEN, sensuous poems relating partly to Christiane. The ancient monuments he saw in Italy significantly influenced his growing commitment to a classical view of art. "Three things are to be looked to in a building," Goethe later wrote in Elective Affinities (1808), "that it stands on the right spot; that it be securely founded; that it be successfully executed."
In the 1790s Goethe contributed to Friedrich von Schiller´s journal Die Horen, published WILHELM MEISTERS LEHRJAHRE (Wilhelm Meister's Apprenticeship) in 1795-96, and continued his writings on the ideals of arts and literature in his own journal Propyläen. Wilhelm Meister's story had preoccupied the author for many years. Wilhelm, disillusioned by love, starts actively to seek out other values, and becomes an actor and playwright. Whereas Werther's life ended in despair, Meister has a more optimistic spirit. At the end he says: "... I know I have attained a happiness which I have not deserved, and which I would not change with anything in life." Wim Wenders and Peter Handke made in 1974 a modernized film adaptation of the book, Wrong Movement, in which Meister's journey has a sad, lonely note. "If only politics and poetry could be united," he says to his friend Laertes, who answers: "That would be the end of longing and the end of the world."
During the French Revolution Goethe reported in letters - sometimes written in the middle of cannon fire - to his family his inconveniences, complaining that he was forced to leave his home and dear garden after the French army attacked Prussia. He also saw killings and looted villages. Although Goethe supported freedom and progress, he wanted to preserve the bourgeois or his artistic-individualistic way of life. However, the majority of the German intelligentsia greeted with enthusiasm the goals of the revolution, including Kant, Schiller, and Friedrich Schlegel.
From 1791 to 1817 Goethe was the director of the court theatres. He advised Duke Carl August on mining and Jena University, which for a short time attracted the most prominent figures in German philosophy, including Hegel and Fichte. In 1812 Goethe met the famous composer Ludwig van Beethoven in Teplitz. Beethoven had admired Goethe already in his youth, although he considered Goethe's attitude toward the nobility too servile. Beethoven composed several music pieces based on the author's texts, among them Egmont. Franz Schubert's (1797-1828) first Lieder masterpiece, 'Gretchen am Spinnrade', took the words from Faust, but Goethe did not much appreciate Schubert's musical achievements.
Goethe remained creative during his last period. He edited Kunst and Altertum (1816-32) and Zur Naturwissenschaft (1817-24), wrote his autobiography, Poetry and Truth (1811-1833), and completed the novel WILHELM MEISTERS WANDERJAHRE (1821-9). Interested in visual arts throughout his life, Goethe wrote a large volume on the theory of color, which he considered one of his major achievements. In ZUR FARBENLEHRE (1810) Goethe rejected mathematical approach in the treatment of color, and argued that light, shade and color are associated with the emotional experience - "every color produces a distinct impression on the mind, and thus addresses at once the eye and feelings".
At the age of 74 Goethe fell in love with the 19-year old Ulrike von Levetzow. He followed her with high hopes from Marienbad to Karlsbad, and then returned disappointed to Weimar. There he wrote The Marienbad elegy, the most personal poem of his later years. Goethe died in Weimar on March 22, 1832. He and Schiller, who died over a quarter of a century earlier, are buried together, in a mausoleum in the ducal cemetery. The Goethe House and Schiller House stand in the town, and the two statues of these literary giants are outside the National Theatre.
Selected works:
GÖTZ UND BERLICHINGEN, 1773 - Iron Hand (trans. among others by W. Scott) - suom. - DIE LEIDEN DES JUNGEN WERTHERS, 1774 - The Sorrows of Young Werther - Nuoren Wertherin kärsimykset, suom. Volter Kilpi (1904) IPHIGENIE AUF TAURIS, 1787 - Iphigenia in Tauris - Iphigenia Tauriissa, suom. Eino Leino (1910) EGMONT, 1788 - trans. - suom. J.A.Hollo RÖMISHE ELEGIEN, 1790 - Roman Elegies FAUST, EIN FRAGMENT, 1790 - trans. TORQUATO TASSO, 1790 (see the myth that Tasso was imprisoned because of his love for Duke Alfonso's sister Leonoro) - suom. (1913) Juhani Siljo WILHELM MEISTERS LEHRJAHRE, 1796 - Wilhelm Meister´s Apprenticeship (Thomas Carlyle's translation in 1824) - Wilhelm Meisterin oppivuodet - film Wrong Movement (1974), dir. by Wim Wenders, screrenplay by Peter Handke, starring Rüdiger Vogler, Hanna Schygulla, Hans Christian Blech, Peter Kern HERMANN UND DOROTHEA, 1797 - Hermann and Dorothea - Herman ja Dorothea FAUST I, 1808 - trans. - suom. Valter Juva (1916), Otto Manninen (1936) DER WAHLVERWANDTSCHAFTEN, 1809 - Elective Affinities - Vaaliheimolaiset, suom. J.A. Hollo ZUR FARBENLEHRE, 1810 (3 vols.) - Theory of Colors ITALIANISCHE REISE I-II, 1816-17 - The Italian Journey WEST-ÖSTLICHER DIVAN, 1819 - Divan of West and East WILHELM MEISTERS WANDERJAHRE, 1821 - Wilhelm Meister´s Travels FAUST II, 1832 - trans. - suom. Otto Manninen AUS MEINEM LEBEN. DICHTUNG UND WAHRHEIT, 1811-33 - Poetry and Truth - Tarua ja totta elämästäni, suom. J.A. Hollo Collected works editions: WERKE (1887-1919, 143 vols.); WERKE (1948-64, 14 vols.); GEDENKAUSGABE DER WERKE, BRIEFE UND GESPRÄCHE (1948-71, 27 vols.); COLLECTED WORKS (1983-89, 12 vols.); SÄMTLICHE WERKE (1986-, in progress)
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Post by camelianhermitcrab on Nov 10, 2004 16:16:55 GMT -5
Thanks Leni, that was very interesting. I shall take it as a compliment that my poem is up to the status of being in his league.
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Post by HappyAsAPenis on Nov 10, 2004 17:39:40 GMT -5
Oh my!! That was different(in a good way of course ). Quick question: Is this poem related to your "Sex or Not to Sex" thread? If it's too personal you don't have to answer. Lynn
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Post by eroticshock on Nov 11, 2004 6:47:31 GMT -5
Thanks Leni, that was very interesting. I shall take it as a compliment that my poem is up to the status of being in his league. Umm, sorry, but that was Pure Sarcasm regarding Goethe, you were nowhere near Goethe, actually I thought the bitch writing was a bore, sorry. Leni, thanks for all of that and for anyone who has not read Young Werther by Goethe, it is one of the most amazing romantic novels ever written. Read it.
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Post by Leni on Nov 11, 2004 7:24:27 GMT -5
Leni, thanks for all of that and for anyone who has not read Young Werther by Goethe, it is one of the most amazing romantic novels ever written. Read it. Thanks Leni, that was very interesting. I shall take it as a compliment that my poem is up to the status of being in his league. You're both very welcome. And I agree concearning the novel. Umm, sorry, but that was Pure Sarcasm regarding Goethe, you were nowhere near Goethe, actually I thought the bitch writing was a bore, sorry. That was a bit evil. But, well, just your opinion.
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Post by camelianhermitcrab on Nov 11, 2004 8:27:45 GMT -5
Umm, sorry, but that was Pure Sarcasm regarding Goethe, you were nowhere near Goethe, actually I thought the bitch writing was a bore, sorry. Leni, thanks for all of that and for anyone who has not read Young Werther by Goethe, it is one of the most amazing romantic novels ever written. Read it. Well kiss my : !!! and suck my grits!! At least now you know not to read what I write. Glad to have educated you. On a separate note, I did check out chapbooks. Funny story really, *you may not want to read it erotic, your humor may be different than mine* Anyway, I went to Barnes and Noble and asked the lady about "chapter books" thinking this is what you said to check out. Well, she guided me towards the kiddy section. What! Huh?! Not kiddy! Wrong term, wrong results. Go figure, so then I came home and went on line looking up underchap books. Wastleland seems cool. Hopefully my others works we be worthy of the world, if not at least it will give people something to bitch about as to why they spent their money. Thanks to you for the heads up erotic. I will, at some point, take you up on the reading of Young Werther.
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Post by camelianhermitcrab on Nov 11, 2004 8:28:32 GMT -5
Oh my!! That was different(in a good way of course ). Quick question: Is this poem related to your "Sex or Not to Sex" thread? If it's too personal you don't have to answer. Lynn No worries ... and yes
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Post by Leni on Nov 11, 2004 9:25:59 GMT -5
Where are you from btw?
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Post by camelianhermitcrab on Nov 11, 2004 9:42:51 GMT -5
Richmond Virginia ... thanks for the love Leni ... I didn't write it for approval or disapproval, I just wrote it for the mood I was in ... Like it or lump it, that's your choice ... art, good or bad, is for each person to discover within themselves ... And thanks to you too, Erotic ... truth, from one person's viewpoint may differ from our own, but it is still truth none the less....
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Post by Leni on Nov 11, 2004 9:46:42 GMT -5
Oh, I hit the wrong button... Post's gone. Arrr.... so, anyways, as I said...very deep, honest words. And yes, this forum is not exactly about people liking or not liking what you've written. But anyways, deep, honest, I liked to read it.
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Post by camelianhermitcrab on Nov 11, 2004 9:57:05 GMT -5
Oh, I hit the wrong button... Post's gone. Arrr.... so, anyways, as I said...very deep, honest words. And yes, this forum is not exactly about people liking or not liking what you've written. But anyways, deep, honest, I liked to read it. I love anyone who loves honesty. Thanx love. where are you from?
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Post by HappyAsAPenis on Nov 11, 2004 18:22:03 GMT -5
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I love reading poetry or hearing music and knowing the motivation behind it. Makes it much deeper for me.
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Post by finscar on Jan 4, 2005 12:38:59 GMT -5
i was looking back at some poems and what happened?! it made it seem i made this thread. i dont like to call call women bitches. i just need this to get it clear.
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Post by Angel on Jan 4, 2005 13:55:07 GMT -5
i was looking back at some poems and what happened?! it made it seem i made this thread. i dont like to call call women bitches. i just need this to get it clear. There was a poem posted by CamelianHermitCrab titled "There was this Bitch." I remember reading it. She must have deleted it. Since you were the next post in the thread I guess it looks like you started it.
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